Dog Health Questions: Super Dog Training/ Dave the Dog Trainer?

I would like to know if anyone has ever enrolled their dog in either of these training facilities, if it was successful, and if it was worth the money.

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Based on the the descriptions, I wouldn't use either. Look here for a good trainer:

http://www.trulydogfriendly.com/blog/?pa…

http://karenpryoracademy.com/find-a-trai…

ETA -- just saw your request for more info.

They look like the same website -- have many of the same pictures - don't know if Dave is a Superdog franchise, or people have been stealing pictures! In general, franchises are not a good idea -- usually a lot of advertising and talk, and the actual trainers vary widely -- some have only had a brief training program.

Both sites have a lot of pics of dogs they claimed were calm and happy but mostly looked stressed and posed (as if someone had just asked them to look at the camera).

They also had huge amounts of text that said very little, except a few things that made it clear they were caught up in the "if you walk in front and eat first, the dog thinks you're the leader" "the dog must be submissive and subordinate" stuff (which is utterly false), and some new-age talk of "the spiritual realm."

They didn't talk about teaching anything but staying, coming, and going away on cue.

Any trainer that proudly promises never to use treats or toys, or refers to it as "bribery," is probably closed-minded about reaching the dog starting with whatever is a true reward for that dog. It also means they have no clue about how reward-based training works.

Their rationale for not using real reinforcement is the silly one people use to scare people "you can't run back into the house for treats if your dog is running out into the street."

That's like saying "you can't start reciting the alphabet when your teenager is flunking out" -- it creates the false impression that training using reward never progresses, and that dogs who are rewarded for their behavior always expect the same reward, which is not true if the training is done right.

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