I feel it does a disservice to dogs to have those on tv, and that nothing beats real life instruction to get a better dog.
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Some of the information might be useful but for the most part it is sort of like trying to teach someone to do brain surgery by watching medical tv shows... I don't think tv shows on dog training, videos or dvds or books will help much for most people - they will think it will because they want a quick fix but basically they are just making more problems in the long run. I have trained obedience classes for a lot of years and see the results of book learners -- usually they have created horrible habits that can be extreemly difficult to deal with... and again, those tv shows have 'disclaimers' for a reason... because idiotitc television viewers will ignore them and that will negate the legal liability they would have otherwise when some fool gets their face bitten off for playing like they are a dog... Actually 99% of the people I see in class that have read books or watch shows come to class the first time and have the collar on backwards and don't have a clue what to do... but have been doing it for months and wonder why their dog 'won't listen to' them...
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- I agree with you....there is a lot that goes on between the dog and handler that is never shown. Things are always edited for TV. Anyone who believes that they can train their dog based on a TV show should not have a dog. Go to real life classes!
- I am with you, and a lot of what you hear on some of these show is false and misleading. One trick is to watch the show without the sound on so you can't hear what they say and look at the body language of the dog(s). If you know dog language you'll be amazed at how far off the commentary can be. I especially cringe at "calm submissive". Try "freezing in fear". And the so called pack hierarchy theory some of these people follow and what they claim is natural wolf or dog behavior.... try reading a scientific book on the subject that is less than 15-20 years old! Dominance is something people want, not dogs.
I hear that trainers all over the country are seeing a rise in dogs that get worse, more aggressive/bite, or have nervous breakdowns after those confrontational methods have been applied - including some Cesar Milan worked with. He is a great handler, but that doesn't make for a psychological theory of dog behavior, or justify his methods. And from volunteering in a shelter I know where many of the dogs that are trained with punitive methods end up when the owners no longer can handle them.
Sad! - Me, I tried it once it does not work.
- I agree, especially programs like the Dog Whisperer and the Monks of New Skete.
People think that you can train a dog for one day and end up with a perfectly well behaved dog. They don't understand that training a dog is a life-long thing- you don't ever get perfect results in 30 minutes! These programs don't even show everything that goes on- they just show the "successful" parts. - I do
- Theres been some stuff from cesar milans show thats helped me and some stuff from the trainer thats helped me. I have no problem with the lead up high around the neck, in fact my dog responded faster to that than any other method Ive tried, it is not over his adams apple and he never chokes. Im not into pinch collars or electric collars at all. I think each to their own, what eva works. My cousin has been using cesar milans techniques with her growing puppy and shes having wonderful results. It has not been a disservice to dogs at all it has been justice, I mean look at all the dogs he's helping, he has 40 rescues living together in harmony and some of them are entire males, he's really helping people understand what they are doing to help contribute to aggression and unwanted behaviour and that alone is a positive thing. Hes been giving the dogs a voice. And if his tecniques dont work for you at least he's making people aware of how they reward unwanted behaviour without realising it. His work alone has helped certain breeds massively and hes dedicated his whole life to honouring dogs. Im starting to take my dog to classes also just for the socialization, he loves them, I just get what I need from anyone who will to give their precious time in helping to make dogs better dogs and owners better owners.
- OH dear GOD! I HATE Ceasar Milan's show, it's misleading and can be dangerous, most of the stuff is common sense but some of his methods are wrong and dangerous. Do people really think that we see everything he does to those dogs? Do they not realize that HE picks the cases, HE picks the footage they use and HE picks the ones that work out. It's a bunch of BS and I believe it's dangerous. There is a couple at the dog park I frequently go to who LIVE by his methods, have bought the collars and all. Their dogs are the WORST behaved dogs in the park, regardless of what they try to do. His method of pulling the collar up around the neck is dangerous to a dogs health and cruel. My traditional obedience trainer, who uses pinch and e-collars, FREAKED on me when I told her I had been doing that to my dog and explained why it's wrong.
I'm also not a fain of positive only training. If you can stick to all the rules and have a submissive dog, go for it. Otherwise, be safe and go to someone who uses traditional obedience which has been working for a long time. Since all these stupid ideas and shows came on, dog bite rates have gone up... wonder why? - Completely agree.... Have spoken to a number of people who think these shows are a bible of dog training, but you're right, they give a snapshot view of what to do without showing all the build up or the real time it takes to achieve a positive outcome. And I bet they have failures, but we don't get to see them do we!?
- better dog? ooook....
i still think most dogs i know could do with better owners, my own dog included.
i love her to bits, but she would like more play time, more training, more dicipline.... but we all get along fine.
yes, some families and some dogs dont jive. energetic person, lazy dogs... vice versa...
dominant dog, passive person...
sometimes you need to pick the dog, but some people need to commit to a difficult dog that they will make the extra effort to assert dominance, provide stimulation and exercise etc.
think of it as a human adoption form. they will usually ask if your family is ready to take on a child with learning disabilities or social problems. you answer yes or no. same with dogs. some take work, some take more, and some are just naturally easy to deal with. the choice is yours, but ask yourself the right questions before getting into it.
if you do decide to get the difficult dog, please team up with a pro. you can only learn so much from tv, and the pro will have additonal insights that will help and prevent you from confusing the dog you are trying to train - Yes I sure do agree with that.
- I disagree with the woman's statement about the dog whisperer. He teaches people how to train their dog and he tells you flat out that you have to work every day with the dog. That this kind of remarkable behavior change doesn't happen overnight. I have had wonderful success with the dogs in my home because of his informative show. I don't think that its a false sense of learning. Granted some people don't know how to deal with dogs in the first place and therefore need to be taught in person how to deal with a dogs behavior. But there are those other people that know how to deal with a dog on a daily basis and train their dogs everyday. I have fostered some of the meanest dogs and the most ill-behaved dogs that I could possibly come across. But thanks to watching the dog whisperer I have gotten the behaviors to disappear. Yes it does take more than 30 min to achieve. It sometimes takes months of working with the dog everyday. But on the other hand the methods do work.
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