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That's typical of Positive only trainers, like Petsmart trainers. They don't really care about training, they show their clients how to teach a simple command, charge them a 100 bucks, then expect the owners to keep up with the training while they themselves don't!
Then again, quality trainers have well trained dogs.
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- They aren't. I've used a trainer and a behaviorist in my area, and both have the most impeccably trained dogs I have ever met. They also both use positive reinforcement techniques (harshest correction I've ever heard ether advise is a firm No). The trainer I took classes with has four dogs, all incredibly incredibly well-behaved, and all but one rescues that came to her with massive behavioral issues, including one with severe aggression. She competes with them in Rally O, Obedience, Freestyle, and Agility. I've seen her turn around some really badly behaved dogs in very short periods of time WHEN the owners follow through with the training at home afterwards (there are no magical keys to a well-behaved dog that don't require owner work). I don't know that I've ever met a trainer with badly behaved dogs, and if I did, I certainly wouldn't use them. Word would get out fast around here and no one would utilize their services.
- Well, in response to the "bashing" of PetSmart trainers, I have seen many other trainers in this world who are just awful, so let's be relative here and stop bashing!
I actually know bad trainers and good trainers, just like there are bad and good performers in every job there is. Haven't you ever had bad body work done to your car? Never had bad customer service in a store? No bad plumbing work done in your house?
And just to set the record straight, there is no such thing as "positive only" reinforcement training. If you are working with trainers who tell you that, you need to find better trainers. All training techniques involve corrections, even at PetSmart.
The worst trainer I have ever met is a compulsion trainer. The best trainer I have ever met is a compulsion trainer. I have also met and worked with an awesome PetSmart trainer who goes above and beyond with all of her students.
You obviously have not done enough research on different types of training, or even any good reading on the subject to make such a broad statement.
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If you want to be knowledgeable about positive dog training, you can start with the founder of it.
The people who rarely have time to train a dog should not own a dog. - Real trainers have well-trained dogs.
Don't pay any other sort of trainer.
Positive only is silly, but that doesn't mean that you have to over-compensate the other way. The only time I have raised my voice to my shelter dog was when she sneaked up behind me and grabbed her dinner back out of my hand -- I was moving it out of the living room, since she's raw fed, I'm not having her eat raw chicken on my new carpet! I spun around and yelled... and she dropped flat on the floor, clearly terrified. I cajoled her back onto her feet and into the kitchen where I put the meat back on her mat. And she wagged her tail and ate it.
But she hasn't grabbed anything out of anyone's hand since. - In it for the money???? Ha-Ha. Trust me that is only the so called trainers on TV.
There are good trainers and bad and you have encountered the bad.
If you take on the responsibility of owning a dog, you make the time to find a reputable trainer. There are many other techniques other than positive only reinforcement, find a trainer that offers the type of training you want.
Do your homework, check out some different trainers before you classify us as all bad.
BTW I use my guys in my classes because they are very well trained. - I taught dog classes for a long time and I know some trainers just put all their effort into their clients dogs and just don't for their dogs, but not good trainers. I wont say mine are perfect but they are trained better then a lot of dogs i know.
When I am training new behaviors, any new behavior, including something as simple as sit or something like of leash heeling I do use only positive methods however when working on things like manners or problems in the home I do believe dogs need to be told what not to do. When working with aggression or bad manners I like to use a mix of your typical "positive training" and some of the "dominance theory" stuff. You do need to be the leader but that can be done in a firm but fair way that includes all kinds of training. - I have lots of friends who are dog trainers, and to a person their dogs are extremely well trained. Your whole premise is false. And obedience training is the ONLY way to get a really good canine companion.
- Wow, I have never seen that. My trainers' dogs are tops in the country. And they don't charge as much as Petsmart. If a trainer's dogs are ill behaved, then they are no kind of trainer. Find someone else fast.
- I have never seen any dog trainers with poorly trained dogs.
The ones you are encountering apparently are bad trainers as well as bad dog owners.... - Apparently you have been seeing only bad trainers then.
Add: Yes such as the Petsmart "trainers" although I typically refuse to acknowledge them as such. - That's not my experience.
All (without exception) of the dogs owned by trainers that I've seen have been very well trained.
Which god-awful trainers have you seen?
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