Basic Dog Training 101..
Me and Murphy were rolling on the floor playing "lets drag Mom around the living room by her sweater". PS...I let him, I enjoy rough housing once in a blue moon. So I decided to run a little experiment!
As we all hear daily here on Y/A that...yelping loudly will make your dog realize that its hurting you and stop nipping! So I yelped...screamed...yelped some more....and noticed that little shiithead started growling louder and getting more into this. Also, ignoring and walking away after this game...caused him to run after me while pinching my butt with his teeth...along with my pants...etc.
I didnt try the dark room as a time out...lmao!
Back to the question...is there a "common" training method that you think is absolutely ridiculous or has never worked for your dogs?
Just curious!
A Little About Dog Training
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Legit:
* I started this reply and have not looked at the other responses yet. I hope I'm not repeating anyone. I'm moving planters but was taking a break from the heat. I saw your post and went...UHOH*
Yep... I don't believe in "never striking" your dog. Had one of my dogs done that to me I would have cleaned their clock.
Not stomped their guts out or beat them. I would have unloaded such an unexpected reaction onto him that he would have feared for his life. Like... throwing a flurry of all the magazines off of the coffee table at him...and the minute he turned tail to back off and / or run ...everything else that clatter and banged (not breakable) would have followed his BUNS in his retreat. .
When you yelped and screamed you triggered his aggression / prey drive worse. I don't believe in that "make a yipe" so they understand that they hurt you. In a situation like that a yipe is only effective (IMO) when it is followed up with something NEGATIVE they remember like a good swift kick in the butt.
Speaking to you as a Y/A friend. I would NEVER play that game with your dog again. That was not a good sign. Game over MURPHY.
I'm glad it stopped when it did.
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Bells...got it. I've tried a few theories that have not gone well myself. If my dog tried to drag me around by my sweater for fun she'd blow a couple discs and need a back surgery...LOL
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Dog Training Methods - Methods Used in Pofessional Training Classes
- Humans have been training dogs to do some quite amazing jobs for thousands of years.
All the new-age touchy-feely crap has been scammed to the gullible for a few years.
There's no magic wand,no Instant Lassie pill.......all it takes is a spine & a brain & sweat.
But....since you can't buy them online,touted by an imported Dominatrix,most dogs get zilch. - For me yelping never works. For me Ignoring never works, either. Ignoring a dog that is biting will make him think that he "won"... and well, yelping... For me it doesn't work; not sure what it does for others.
So yeah, I'll go with the training methods you mentioned. ;) I can't think of any right now haha. - Yelling, screaming, growling and biting a dog is so asinine I want to hurl my Carmel Latte.
All of this nonsense does nothing but cause more excitement.
When I read answers suggesting that people BITE their dog back it makes me nauseous.
Really? It is ridiculous. Period. - I'm with you on the yelping, screaming, etc. I tried it once. Only excites my dog even more. Same goes for the famous "if your dog bites you, scream OUTCH". She looks at me like "OOOOOH I get it. You want me to do it again?? OK!!!"
- The one that annoys me the most is the "alpha roll".
"if your dog is growling & snapping at you roll him onto his back to show him you're the boss".
I'd put down lawn chairs & bring pop corn to watch that attempted. - I hate the "turn around when the dog jumps up on you" trick. That is just plain stupid and does not teach the animal to respect people at all.
- Your dog isn't, but you are! lol
- Well I totally reinforce what Lorraine says. A dogs idea of rough play is NOT our idea of rough play!
- Haha...there's a ton that don't work for my dogs. And as embarrassed as I am to admit, most have already been listed by other posters....and I've learned them all the hard way.
Turning around when they jump example made me laugh the most because I have a 100 pound lab...when we were still trying to train him to not be a crazy animal...I tried turning around. Yah...he knocked my whole 130 pound body to the ground and then chomped down on my hair and yanked.
The harness one made me laugh too, because silly me again...went out and bought "no-pull" harnesses for two massive dogs that liked to pull. I went down face first (hard too I might add,) and was literally dragged halfway across the field. Threw those pieces of garbage away and bought a prong.
The yelping didn't work. I must look like a complete fool with all these examples...but when the lab was still young and nipping...I tried yelping. Just incited him more. Lol at the running away and nipping at your butt, because mine did the same thing. - Well, you said common, AND keep in mind that I have NEVER done this.....using a harness for a dog that pulls you on the leash instead of heeling properly. OR, how about rubbing a dogs nose in it's mess when it poops on the floor to teach it a lesson.
Add: Ya Bells, I tried that once.....with the bitter apple. (jk) It cost me about $6, 942.87 and my dog STILL ended up with an intestinal blockage and a $4000.00 surgery. (JK on that, of course, too) Just trying to lighten things up a bit OK, what about this one: Sit, Fido, sit. SIT, Fido, sit. SIT, FIDO, sit. SIT, FIDO, SIT! SIT YOU BAS*TARD OR I'LL RUB YOUR NOSE IN YOUR SH*t! That does it. Time to put the harness on and go for a........whoa, STOP you sh*thead.......Whew, I really needed to get that off my chest. I needed a chuckle today. It hasn't been the best one at my house today.
Add: Let's hope Sunday will be better for both of us. The dogs are fine, the cats are fine, all the fish in my pond and aquarium are fine........let's just hope DH and 29 year old Son will be fine before the day is over. If you don't see me around on YA for awhile after today, I'm probably in jail. This has NOT been a good *man* day for me.
Add: Bells, now how many people are REALLY going to chip in for my bail money? Everyone will probably happy that I am missing in action for a couple of years. Anyway, things will be looking up as a Vodka and Diet Pepsi are on the menu......soon. I WILL sleep good tonight! - This is the reason that we recommend never to rough play with a rottie and you can see that if this is allowed as a pup then it can easily go wrong as an adult. We can get them into rescue that start mouthing and roughing and they not only hurt, but are bordering on tipping over to dangerous.
A common training method........... thinking...........
oh yes......... ignoring any bad behavior and only praising the good. Sorry, but I don't understand that one. If my dog is nicking the fresh chicken off the worktop then I am not going to ignore him. I know that is extreme, but I do NOT ignore bad behavior.
I will ignore (verbally) mistakes in training (obedience) such as not sitting square, or whatever, and just redo the exercise or reposition until correct and then praise.
But I do not ignore bad behavior as such and cannot see how you can. - I find the yelping just a distraction for the, or at least -my- dog, for a few seconds before they go back to nipping. I think they go by the pitch TBH, and I think sometimes they find the Yelping, Screaming, etc... keeps the dog going to nip/bite. I was attacked by a Newfoundland when I was 12, and then again at 15, I was screaming, and I even tried yelping, the dog just kept attacking. [Everyone should note just because I got attacked by them doesn't mean I don't like them. I have owned one when I was 17, and he passed away just after I completed college.]
Hmm.. I'll have to think about the training method Q.
ADD- Well they certainly ignore all of Cesar Millan's "techniques". Go figure, maybe you shouldn't self teach yourself how to TRY to be a professional.
The rubbing the dog's nose in it's mess abuse method. My father used to do that to his dog, but he honestly didn't know any better. It never worked, the dog became very fearful and almost everything [Pet, Bath, Food, ETC.] resulted in defensive biting. - I use words rather than just make a sound
my dog knows... if anyone says ouch or oww while they are playing with her.....shes got too rough and stops immediately... i wouldn't say its anything i really trained her to do on purpose... she just learnt on her own really
if i was to yip and make squealing noises... she will assume its tickling me and keep going... she loves to tickle (although ive been told it looks really vicious when she does it)... giggling/high pitched noises/squeals etc delight her and encourage her to keep going
one thing i did train her to do though.... was if i say "that's enough" regardless of what she is doing... she will always stop and come sit by me. - It's not so much a training method, but a dog management method/school of thought: the whole dominance thing. I refuse to believe that my happy-go-lucky, goofy dog is trying to "dominate" me when she walks in front of me, puts her paws on me, or walks in the door before me.
I also don't ascribe to anything related to hitting the dog on the nose (or elsewhere); my dog is extremely sensitive and loves to please, so I can't imagine even just gently hitting her, especially since she gets upset and rolls onto her back if I yell at her (like if she's getting into something or pestering the cats).
ETA: In attempt to find a method that'd work to keep my dog from jumping up on people, I actually used the "turn around and ignore" method. My dog is so needy for attention that she gets all butt-hurt if I ignore her, and turning around and ignoring her actually worked to curb her jumping. I'm sure it's something that varies from dog-to-dog, though. A more independent, aloof dog probably wouldn't care.
I know it's not a method, but it's all too common to see people not training their dogs, and yet they talk to them like people and expect them to know what to do. I was at the pet store last night, and there was a woman there with a tiny Beagle puppy, and of course the pup wanted to visit the dog I had with me. Instead of letting them sniff each other, the woman got all indignant, picked her dog up, and asked him "what's wrong with you?! What are you thinking??" I wanted to ask her the same thing... - The "yelping" bit never worked with my dog, either. In fact, I think it actually gets him more riled up. It's got the same effect as the squeeky toys do- it really appeals to his prey drive.
The other one I found ridiculous was the advice I received from a behaviorist (from an Ivy League vet college no less) to put a stop my dog's leash fear aggression toward other dogs on leash- Avoid other dogs. Wow! Really? I never would have figured that one out on my own. Thanks, genius! I realize that this issue is very specific seeing as how it's only toward other on-leash dogs, but I just can't fathom how that's the best advice this woman could come up with.
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