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I watch Cesar's show occasionally and enjoy it. I think it's worth noting that he works professionally with unbalanced dogs with socialization problems, not with dogs that need basic training. That said, I don't know why he has published works on training puppies unless, as may be the case, he teaches about how to avoid problems with certain breeds. The “Don't try this yourself” disclaimer appears on every show in which people interact with animals, so that's a CYA thing. It's true that you can't rehab a dog in 30 minutes, but neither can a surgeon perform a heart transplant in the 30 minutes allotted on a TV show.
To me, the value of the show is that it demonstrates that a dog's behavior can be modified and a “bad” dog can become a “good” dog with proper training. Maybe more important is Milan's focus on training owners rather than just their dogs. Pit bulls have gotten a bad rap and many people defend them by saying it's bad owners rather than bad dogs that are the problem. If Cesar's show gets that point across, I'm all for it. If his show teaches people how important it is to properly socialize their dogs through proper training, that's good, too. If people train their dogs correctly from the start, maybe there won't be a need for the Cesar Milans of the world. It's usually much easier to avoid a problem than to correct one.
I like Cesar.
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- oh i love that show.. I believe that his methods are the right way to train a dog. and it does work :D
- I do not think much of him. I think he has great personality for TV but I do NOT think much of him as a trainer. Many people forget that it is just a show with LOTS of editing and he does NOT perform miracles. Some of his methods are outdated, cruel and dangerous, he has had some problems because of some of his methods and is even being sued.
Also, I do not see the point of showing these types of corrective measures on a TV show if they can not be used in real life by ordinary people. His show is always preceeded by a disclaimer that says do NOT try this stuff at home without a professional. Most people watch the show to learn how to fix their dogs problem's, not just for entertainment purposes and the chances of him ever coming to help the ordinary person are slim to none. - I watch and I like him,too.
I think people don't like him because he goes against other conventional training techniques. - It's entertainment - not training. People think they can do just what he does and bingo - their dog is fixed.
No dog can be "fixed" or trained in 30 minutes. It's Television... - god i hate that show
- Sometimes people dont like people being mean to animals.
He's not being mean but hes harsh and yur completely right about being forceful. just people think that way. - While i like him and will watch his show, and have gained a lot of knowledge by watching, i have to disagree with the way his show is so wide spread.
At the beginning of every show it states to consult a professional but there are those people out there that will ignore that statement and try these methods on their own with disastrous results.
I feel maybe that his methods should be available to trainers and professionals instead of the vast majority of the public. - The people who hate him are also nuts that think that you are supposed to treat dogs the same way as people. Or actually they think you are supposed to treat them better than people.
They're nuts, don't worry about them. - At the end of the day, there are certain training methods for some dogs that work, and there are training methods for dogs that dont work. Cesar's methods work on some dogs, and not others, but of course we dont see the ones it doesnt work on.
People get very defensive when their chosen method of training works and gets bagged. We have 4 dogs and they are all trained differently. It does run paralell to children in that some kids are pretty smart and dont need discipline, while others do. - No, I do not like him, he does not do the dogs any good, his tactics are scripts written for him so he can look good on the show....alot of people that have used him, swear their dog was worse when he got finished with them,, it has been posted on the Internet before, he stinks....
take the dog to a real trainer, not a wanna be.
he is all show, and does not know that much about dogs.
he never has and never will...if you want to take someone serious about training a dog, then get a real trainer, not someone that trys to practice at it without a license......
He gives real trainers a bad rep........and his so called name of
DOG WHISPERER, ,,,,,,,,he whispers to the dogs so you cant hear how much he is botching the job...ha ha
no, sorry, I don't think he should be giving advice....
Breeder/show/handler 15 yrs.
we have dog trainers on here and they can out do his advice and tactics by far.....and they don't pretend to know what they are doing, they do.......and they give good advice on here. - I sometimes watch the show, and think the biggest problem is that he makes it look too easy. Some of his methods work, but not in 2 minutes as he shows on the TV. I understand that showing a professional dog trainer and a class of puppies wouldn't make as interesting a program, but it would be more accurate.
- yes i watch it i have tried the techniqes and most seam to work.i enjoy watching him
- The fact of the matter is that most of the dog professionals that are speaking out against HAVE trained this way, and saw the negative side of it. Sure the behavior may go away for awhile, and then come back ten fold, or you end up with a dog that totally shuts down.
Watching the show, those dogs aren't submitting, they are shutting down. A form of learned helplessness, because every submissive signal they give him is ignored. Study a bit of dog body language and you'll learn this. Watch the show with no sound, and see the absolute fear in the eyes of these dogs.
The people that are speaking out realize there are far better ways to work dogs of all types.
He is really doing more harm than good, we don't get follow ups on those dogs, maybe there is a reason for that, hmm?
Remember TV is all about the ratings, nothing else.
**Added: There is no science to his methods. His methods are based on flawed wolf studies that were done years and years ago. There are now much more accurate studies, and we've learned ALOT about animals learn between then and now. The wolf studies that alot of dog behavior explanations have come from was done on captive wolves, it has now been learned that wolves don't act this way in a natural setting. So yes, he is setting the dog training world back, back to time before we understood how animals learned, a time when the information we had was wrong. - Well legend, the less people know about dog training, the more they love his stuff.. While I agree with you that there are some dogs that need a swift boot in the ***, Mr Milan is NOT the man for the job. When you find yourself in doubt of my words, check back with the first sentence I wrote, then wonder why I said it. Hope I helped!!
- I'm not a fan of Ceaser, his methods are what we were using back in the 70's & 80's. times change and if we can get the same results with posative training opposed to the forceful method then why not have a happy working dog rather than a fearful dog that is afraid not to do it your way.
does anyone remember that Ceaser killed a dog that was in his care for training useing his method a few years ago. it was in the news for a while. this is not the person i would want training my dog or showing me how to train.
but it is ok for him to go on TV and show people how to train difficult dogs with his forceful methods and his watchers think i can do that and end up makeing the situation worse. it's not the same as haveing a trainer there to guide you.
i have watched my trainer take very difficult dogs and useing the posative method have the dog working in 30 min. yes you have to be firm but not abusive. believe me you can get a lot farther with posative and much quicker. i've done both and will continue the posative. - I have noticed that people who want a short cut method or dont know much about any kind of dog training gravitate toward him.
I myself think he is somewhat dangerous. He goes on TV and performs, and people try all his techniques on their own dogs the next day. The trouble with that is that most of the dogs dont need his methods.
He calls himself a rehabilitator, but in reality, he masks the problems with fear instead of getting to the root cause of the behavior and resolving it. So short term he may get some results, but they wont last.
As already said by another poster, his opinion of the pack heirarchy is very flawed and based on not much research and study. He sees the pack environment through a "macho" human view, which has nothing to do with animal behavior.
If he had any kind of degrees in any kind of animal study or behavior study I would probably respect him at least, but he really is just an actor who has found a great way to make money from the people in this world who are too lazy to read and study dog behavior and training methods themselves.
And yes, I have read his books and watched his show. My husband actually loves him, but then again, my husband has never read any books by real dog behaviorists and accredited trainers, or any books on pack behavior by people who actually go in the wild and observe it.
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