If i get a german shepherd/doberman for example and train them at Schutzhund, if a person attacks me in the street would the dog(s) attack the person WITHOUT being told to do so? (I know the person would have to have a death wish)
But i would be able to defend myself and I wouldn't want my dog to attack when THEY thought they need to.
I'm just asking because i have seen dog training when the 'bad guy' is talking to the owner, then the 'bad guy' attacks and the dog just pounces. Not good.
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A PROFFESSIONALLY trained ScH dog will not randomly attack a stranger. A poorly trained attack dog would, but not a proffessionally trained one..
Some dogs also need to have that drive and determination. Most ScH trainer's prefer imports instead of American lines. Why ? Because American GSD's and Dobermans, most of them lack stabability and worse drive to participate in ScH because people wanted family pets and barbie dogs from the AKC.
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- I think in proper extensive protection training, emergency services/military, they have a command they use to give the dog permission to attack
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jb0cxrawM… - You've "seen" IDIOTS,w/UNTRAINED dangerous monsters. STAGED & EDITED!
Schutzhund is a SPORT-NOT real protection dogs!
REAL sane adults can train real dogs properly.
Biting dog's owner owners ARE liable for damages. - a trained protection dog takes its commands from its MASTER!
the dog should NEVER do ANYTHING without a direct command from its master! attacking without command is indicitave of poor training or weak nerves!ScH and "attack" aren't the same thing.
just train your dog to bark when people come to the door.
APPEARS to be a good watchdog- NO LIABILITY- you are LIABLE if your dog bites someone- EVEN AN INTRUDER! - Schutzhund is not actual protection work. To those dogs it is a game (bite the sleeve) A properly trained Schutzhund dog isn't going to bite outside of that environment and shouldn't be expected to protect you at all.
On the other hand a dog poorly trained in bitework of any kind including Schutzhund or a dog without the proper temperament for it is like giving a loaded gun to a toddler an they are likely to bite in any number of improper situations. - Theoretically, it depends on the dog. Properly trained Shutzhund dogs with the correct temperament for the sport are not going to randomly attack strangers. In fact, a dog that is properly trained in bite work is generally less likely to bite in inappropriate situations than one that is not. However, any dog with the appropriate temperament and drive for shutzhund training is more likely to come to their owner/handler's aid if their person is actively being attacked. If you are able to defend yourself, you should be able to see the attack coming well enough in advance to give your dog the appropriate commands to prevent a bite, or at the very least be with it enough to call your dog off. And at any rate, if you are actively being attacked the law usually has leeway for dogs to bite in protection of their owner.
- Good question. First of all, Sch is a SPORT, it offers no REALISTIC protection from your dog in any form, capacity or way!!
Sch trained dogs are trained to view the sleeve as a prey item and their whole focus is on that sleeve, not the "bad guy"!
If you ever did depend on a sport dog, such as a Sch trained dog for real protection, you would get killed.
A real life protection dog or a police dog WILL engage a bad guy if the bad guy attacks the handler as he should.
You do not want to be surprised by a suspect and have your dog not react to protect you.
Hope I helped
ADD: I guess there is someone in here that has trained Sch dogs, personal protection dogs and police dogs and does not agree with the fact the a Sch dog is JUST a sport dog...
ADD: Dutchman...I am afraid the pussyfication of dogs also occured with most YA members as well. - The majority of Schutzhund dogs are strictly sport dogs. A small percentage can be adapted and trained for street-work. Finding a dog that will attack ONLY on command is like looking for a needle in haystack. If someone is going to assault you, the dog will know way before the handler. Someone on the verge of a violent act is hyperventilating, has heightened blood pressure, adrenaline & testosterone are flowing like Niagara Falls...that's pretty much screaming in the dogs face, "I'm getting ready to attack you!!!". Should he whisper to you that it's time to give him his "attack command"...or his "Permission to engage" command? There aren't even cartoons that creative. The only thing you need to worry about with a trained dog is being able to shut him off.
I'm confused by your ending sentence, "Not good". Would you prefer to get shot or stabbed...and THEN decide if it's OK for your dog to bite? A trained dog has no difficulty in identifying the "Bad guy"...let him do his job. If you feel threatened by someones appearance, but your dog is calm....you need to chill. He will out-read a person every time. Having a dog that attacks on command is great for demonstrations...other than that , it has no practical purpose unless your goal is to have him bite innocent people.
ADD: There actually WAS a time when the majority of Schutzhund dogs could do street-work. But alas, way too many orginizations have promoted the "pussification" of all breeds. Dogs that would've been laughed out of the stadium 25 years ago, are what is sought after now. The loss of some old German judges was a bad thing for Schutzhund.
ADD: The video provided by Naysa is entertaining...but again, it's a game. The dog is simply working an obedience routine with the bite as a reward. There really is no way to simulate the real deal without an EXTREMELY good actor that can actually become violent at will. The closest thing would be muzzle work, no protection on the helper, on the street, etc. This dog knows that room and his specific spot so well, it's nothing more than the same old routine. The suit is waiting too get bitten....just release the dog from the down command. Again..it's neat training...just not reality.
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