Who do you prefer, Cesar or Victoria (from It's Me or the Dog) when it comes to dog training methods. Why do you like them better and/or why have you found their training methods more effective than the other?
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Victoia Stillwell without a question. For several reasons.
1. Cesar has a "do not try this at home" warning at the start of his show. Victoria /encourages/ people to try her methods at home.
2. Cesar's methods are based on punishment. Victoria's are based on positive reinforcement. I'd much rather praise my dog for doing things right than punish him for doing them wrong.
3. Victoria sets dogs up for success (and praises them for getting it right). Cesar sets dogs up for failure (and punishes them for getting it wrong). Would you rather feel constantly right or constantly wrong?
4. Victoria's methods change the dog's feelings/emotions towards a trigger and consequently change the dog's reactions. Cesar's methods suppress (change) the reactions but do nothing to change the underlying emotions that cause that reaction. The dog still feels the same way but just doesn't have a way communicate those feelings.
5. Training with aggression causes aggression.
6. Cesar's methods and theory are based on a flawed study into a fake wolf pack done decades ago. Victoria keeps up to date on new methods and new theories. Her way of training has changed since her first series.
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- Stillwell, definitely. Millan has so many strikes against him, in my opinion, it's not funny. The majority of his training does not work for most dog owners. Kids see his show and think they are experts, and as a result get hurt. They also think it extends to other species.
A while ago someone asked what they should do about the parakeet biting, and a kid who apparently had watched his show got the idea the bird was trying to be dominant, so they told the questioner to put the cage on the floor. Which is the absolute worse thing you can do.
Some people honestly believe that saying "Shss" is all it takes to get a dog to walk without pulling.
He forces into dogs into situations that are very traumatic, and they shut down (does anyone remember the Sheltie who was afraid of the toaster program?).
He gives the mistaken impression that if you flip a dog over on his back, the dog is submitting. True submission is totally voluntarily, without anyone lifting so much as a finger.
He lost a client's dog in one of the episodes I did watch. The dog was in their home and it jumped off the balcony. My first question would be what was he doing to the dog to cause it to run away?
The absolute straw for me was when he had a client who wanted to overcome his fear of dogs so his kids could have a pet. He gave them his Chinese Crested dog that he rescued around two years prior. The idea of seeing if the dog liked the family never occurred to him . Something clicked in my mind, and I haven't watched a program of his since.
Sorry for the length. - I don't really pay much attention to either one. Neither is a real dog trainer, and both of their shows are edited for content, which gives the perception that they know what they are doing, and that can be dangerous to the general public.
If I want training advice, I go to a few trainers I know personally, or to my favorite accredited trainers books that I have in the bookcase. It would never even occur to me to ask or watch a TV entertainer how to train my dog.
Victoria is pretty harmless, but Millan has some pretty dangerous incorrect theories about dogs and pack behavior that can damage a dog. - They are both actors playing to a TV audience for ratings so that they can continue to earn a paycheck.
Can I suggest that you go to a dog trainer instead of an actor when you want valid information about training a dog.
There are only two ways that any living creature learns anything. Operant conditioning and Classical conditioning.
If you want to learn how to train a dog you will be well served by studying both, otherwise you will be "just doing" with no understanding of why or how. - I like Cesar in that he is all about showing "Dominance" over your dog. Letting them know who's boss. (it really seems to work) I don't like how he does this creepy "claw" looking thing with his hand and corrects the dog right at the neck.
I like Victoria in that she is all about praise. Although, some of her "tricks" don't work with all dogs in every case.
So, I like them both for different reasons! - They are quite different, and i've also noticed they work on different issues.
I've never really seen Cesar help anyone teach their dog to come to them, but on the other hand, i've seen Victoria do this.
Cesar has never helped anyone i know of help to maintain a dog's calmness in a car -- i saw him help with this issue once, and he was sitting in the back seat with the dog. I'm sure that, the next time the owners took the dog out ,it reverted to its barking or whining because Cesar wasn't in the back seat. On the other hand, Victoria has dealt with this on her show a few times.
These two issues pop into my mind because they are two i've had issues with myself. So, i'm definitely not saying one trainer's method is better.
I do love both Cesar and Victoria. Both have great training methods, and i believe that, if we are going to train our dogs based on one or the other's methods, we need to take a look at each and see which suits us best.
take care. - In a nutshell, I prefer Victoria because her methods are more realistic for every day pet owners.
Cesar Milan has excellent methods, but a lot of them are just too difficult for your average dog owner to use.
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