Sunday, August 12, 2012

Dog Health Questions: Dog training confusion?

i dont get it some pro trainers say make your dog submit to you if he bites you too rough and some say dont do that... some trainers say punishment doesnt work some say it does... some say time outs and such are not understood by dogs and some recommend it.... most trainers say use tone of voice... but guess what no matter what tone of voice i use my dog acts the same way.... jumping around excited biting... ive had many many dogs before and ive come to the conclusion that dogs are like people some are just not as smart as others...i just love them and dont want to be mean to them... treats and praise as positive reinforcement work for some things but how do you use positive reinforcement to eliminate biting and other behaviors where its hard to give positive reinforcement to fix

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There are conflicting messages because there are different schools of thought on this. On one end of the spectrum there is the "yank and crank" whose most famous advocate was a man by the last name Koeler, who founded the Koeler method. This is the school of thought saying that you use physical punishments of correction to show a dog how to behave. This can be produce fast results but the long-term drawback is that it will motivate a dog to not get corrected, not necessarily create a love of work. In extreme cases it can cause resentment from the dog which can lead to them turning on their own handler.

On the complete opposite end of the spectrum is the "happy feel good'' method. This is what is taught by the big box petfood warehouses like Petsmart, Petco, ect... This is where you only use positive reinforcement and only correct by firmly using the word "no" or some other command. This works well on a very small percentage of dogs that are very mentally soft. With dogs, if you have to use a word more than once, be it "no" or some other corrective word it begins to lose it's meaning. Ultimately if the dog learns that your worst doesn't have 'teeth' to back it up, they view you as weak and will not follow you. It is repetitively seen that dominant dogs often go into these obedience classes and come out just as dominant. They may learn how to do some tricks, but they do not learn to respect their master.

Somewhere in the middle is where the most successful trainers typically fall. These are those who train dogs for work; police, search & rescue, seeing eye, or herding. The school of thought here is that you initially teach a dog the meaning of words using motivational tools like treats or toys. Once the dogs knows what the command means and refuses, the dog is corrected, usually with a pincher, choker, or electronic collar. The dog learns several valuable lessons simultaneously; their handler is to be obeyed and respected, when their handler says something refusing will result in consequences but obedience will be rewarded. This is what creates the most motivated and joyfully working dogs.

Biting is one thing where you can not bribe a dog to stop, that will teach them to bite more. The dog must respect you and associate biting you with bad things. Pinch their muzzle after they bite and stair them directly in the eye and firmly say "NO BITE." When they look away let them go. If that doesn't work, grab them by the back of the neck and shake them saying "NO BITE." If that doesn't work hit them on the snout. Usually the second two aren't necessary for most dogs. For perticularly hard dogs like German Shepherd, Dobermans, or Malinois I would be shocked if the muzzle pinching alone works. With these kinds of dogs this is a very serious matter that may seem minor when they are puppies, but a 95lb German Shepherd could send you to the ER, this can be a life and death matter if it is not 'nipped' in the bud immediately. Do not play around with a dog biting or showing teeth and growling. If you think this method is extreme observe wolves, they offer the best insight as to how to lead a pack of dogs.

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  • just like you came to the correct conclusion that some dogs are smarter than others, you will have to come to the same conclusions as to what training methods to take ... if you have a difficult dog this time around with training, do you live somewhere that you can take training classes ??? classes are great as the dogs are exposed to lots of other dogs in a controlled environment with hopefully a good trainer leading the class ... you have just figured out something important in life, there is no ONE thing that works for everyone and everything ... you have to see what works for you and your dog and come to conclusions that work for you ... have you tried exercising the dog to exhaustion a few times a week ??? that can really mellow out behaviour ... dogs with too much energy will find ways to get rid of that energy if you do not do it for them ...

  • I personally like the removal technique I found it works for my dog. However all dogs are different.

  • All dog training is a matter of opinion, based on the trainer's experiences, learning, training, and general attitude to dogs and even to life in general. That's why people have different methods to try to get to the same result.

    My Dachshund barks and barks and barks at people, and has run up to them to nip. As he's a small dog I haven't tried to teach him not to bark and bite at people. Instead I'm teaching him to obey commands to come to me and stay with me until I tell him he can leave - I also did this with my JRTx, who jumped up at strangers as he was just so happy to see people.

    So I can use rewards when they come to me, which will increase the likelihood they will come to me when I ask, which gives me the positive reinforcement. If they are walking or standing close to me, they can't be running off and jumping or biting, and the less they do that, the better.

    As my Dachshund learns that I can 'protect' him from people - ie when he is with me they don't try to touch him - his interest in chasing them away and biting their ankles decreases. My JRT I don't think will ever lose his desire to leap all over people, mainly because some people want him to do that by giving him biscuits but it's working for the Daxie.

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