Dog Health Questions: Dog training TV Shows that have Victoria S and Ceasar, why do people see them as some sort of training bible?

Friday afternoon rant!
This might just be my opinion, but those are TV shows. They are cut and edited and the family that they end up showing is probably chosen from amongst 1000 other families with problem dogs. Its all nice and sweet how they fix a major problem in 30 minutes, but c'mon now!

I'm irritated when someone posts a dog behavior question and he/she is referred to a TV show that will magically solve all their problems.

Opinions?

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Pure laziness - people see it as a "quick fix" - they dont realise that they need to put the effort and training in themselves. Its a whole lot easier, and more enjoyable, to sit and watch a TV programme instead. Hey I just thought, if you can get your dog to watch it with you - problem solved!!

I hate seeing questions "Where do I write to Cesar to get him to come and see my dog?" - why not look for a trainer ALREADY in your area? But suggest that and you get "but he's the best, I want him". Im sorry, I thought you wanted your dog problems fixed, not a spot on TV?!!

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• The only thing I will say in favor of Cesar Milan is that he always says, he TRAINS people. Now, that is an accurate statement. As you said, much of what he does is basic dog training and obedience. The owners of many of these problem dogs are CLUELESS! Like the dog that continually barks until the owner picks it up - and the owner hasn't a clue why the dog continues to bark!
  
  Not all, but most of the behavior problems on these shows can be eliminated with some very basic obedience commands. Problem is, the owners haven't done their homework. They sit there and watch the pets misbehave, all the while wringing their hands saying, "Oh what can I do."
  
  But Cesar and Victoria are making a VERY comfortable living so I guess they're doing something right.


• As far as CM is concerned I think a lot are looking for a quick fix and its easier to watch the chump on tv than pick up a great book by Ian Dunbar for instance.
  
  CM and VS base their training on old fashioned dominance theories that even those who first wrote them now admit they were flawed anyway, they were based on captive wolves, so neither dogs nor how animals behave in the wild!
  
  http://www.4pawsu.com/dogpsychology.htm
  
  they simple work by making a dog completely shut down until it is so fearful it wont show any behaviour at all.
  
  Oh and I know I'll get thumbs down but please do read the link.


• Yes, I totally agree. Just like with EVERY other reality tv show, it's all been edited, so it's very hard to form a real opinion on the training methods. I don't mind some of the techniques that Victoria and Caesar use, but I would never base all of my dogs' training off of one person. I adapt to what works for each of my dogs.


• Amen!
  
  Well, we all have one of Paris Hilton's dogs, so why not have Paris Hilton's dog trainers? This country is getting way too lazy for words, and rather gullible as well.
  
  And don't even get me started on reality shows. I have seen nothing more stupid in all my life.


• I think that for general obedience, they do help the average dog owner. Like sit, place, etc.
  
  The issue is that people believe that they can use the same techniques for aggression - and that is dangerous.


• People also believe that the contestants on American Idol are the best singers in the world.
  
  There's nothing new under the sun here.
  
  At least those programs show people that there are alternatives to letting their pets continue to misbehave.


• Good one! They do it because they are too lazy to get off the couch. I refer to them as "keyboard vets" they have been licensed by Directv and Microsoft.


• I don't like victoria but i like Caesar.... I just like him more, yes it is a reality show but a lot of the tips do actually help!


• Because whatever they do or say does work.


• Im bored with it now.......... the shows and the arguments over them.


• Go to SCHOOL and find out, that's where i am


• because the show gives people tips on how to control your dog


• Victoria's show isn't REALLY meant to be taken seriously.....is it? I thought it was a skit from Saturday Night Live.


• I don't know anything about V.S, I don't watch her show. I do watch the Dog Whisperer. I was lucky to grow up on a farm and even luckier that our family passed on to us children their knowledge of animals. Our parents put animals first and their care and behavior issues. There are many kids who were raised with pets, but the mother or father did all the care for the pet and didn't pass on the knowledge to the children. There are some people who never had a pet and don't realize all the drama that goes with caring and training them. The benefit of a show like Dog Whisperer is that it shows people how to care and sometimes train their dog. Sometimes you can't just read a book, you need someone to show you how it is done. Just like some people can't read a cook book and cook, they need Martha Stewart to show them what an egg wash is. I don't agree with everything the Dog Whisperer does, and I think in some cases, he is the only one that can do what he does, but the overall benefit for the general public is still great. I have certainly learned some things watching his show, but mostly I hear him echo things my mother told me as a child. I wish he would do a show on how to train your nasty neighbors dog. ha ha


• I can see the appeal for an owner with a bratty untrained dog to thrown up their hands & wait for Victoria or Ceasar to magically turn their spoiled untrained monster into an angel that behaves in a socially acceptable manner.
  
  Not gonna happen!
  
  An experienced dog trainer can work with the owner & explain what needs to be done to control/correct the behavior but if the owners do not invest the time on a day in day out basis to train the dog, nothing will magically happen.


• I don't even know who this Victoria S person is lol. Now I'm going to have to google her!
  As far as Caesar goes - I don't hate him. I agree that a lot is editted out and there is no way you're going to fix a dog in 30 minutes. But as Painted Pony mentioned, I also like that he says he "trains people" as well. To me, that's where a lot of dog training blunders happen - because the people don't quite understand how to train their dog.
  He's a good role model in the sense of being a "strong pack leader"...it gives you an example to help fix yourself!
  
  Nothing is worse than that balding guy from that show "At the end of my Leash"...omg that guy is mentally challenged. He wanted to show what it would be like to try and stop a big dog when it's not listening so he tied himself with a leash to the back of a minivan and had the minivan drag him around - was there really a point to that? lol

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Dog Health Questions: Dog training?

My pup i peeing in the house to much he follows his mom out but he pees in. What do i do?

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I would suggest crate training. How old is the puppy?

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• What you can do, is newspaper train him. For a while, put in a main area where you are a lot. If he starts to pee anywhere else, say 'go make' and point towards the newspaper.
  
  After a few days, move it closer and closer to outside, untill it is completely there. Eventually, just take the newspaper away!
  
  This is what my dog did- hope it helps!


• What you can try is buy or get a bag of dog treats for the pup (anddddd some for the mom!) but mostly for the pup is whenevr you THINK he is gonna pee you have to take him outside and stay outside till he pees and once he pees you give him a treat that way he thinks "hmm if i pee outside she gives me a treat imma start peeing outside!" but before you give him the treat you say "good girl!" it works for my grandma's pup! except she's a she! her name is daisy! ANYWAYYY hope ive helped!!!!!

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Dog Health Questions: Dog Training help please?

One of my answers in my former question said to take my dog out (when i get it) of the crate to go outside but when it comes back does the dog go back to the crate or free to walk around the house? Also What if it continually goes in the crate instead of outside so when i DO take it outside it doesn't have to go? Do i use human toothpaste or do they have dog toothpaste?(sorry i have never had my own dog before that i myself had to train)

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do not use human toothpaste. There is a doggie form of toothpaste that will not harm the dog if it swallows it.

Generally an animal will not soil it's own bed. Now if the crate is large enough for it to eliminate at one end and lie in the other end it might do that. So block off part of the crate so that it has just enough room to stand up and turn around.

You put the dog in the crate when you can not watch it for signs of needing to relieve it's self.

When you get home with it. Take it outside. Then play a short while inside. But put it back in the crate when done. It might whine some so put in a toy or chew stick. In ah hour take it outside to relieve it's self. Then maybe feed it. In 30 minutes it may need to go out again. As eating and drinking will stimulate it eliminate.

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• 1) Let your dog walk around the house most of the time. Only crate it when you cannot watch it.
  2) Take the dog outside every couple of hours, and after naps and playtime.
  3) If it goes in the crate or house when you are watching, scold it gently and put it outside. If it goes outside, give it treats and praise.
  4) DO NOT use human toothpaste on dogs. It can make them sick. Get a dog toothpaste and toothbrush( you can also use a very soft child's toothbrush).
  
  Have fun with your new puppy!


• A dog usually won't go to the bathroom in its crate, or atleast try not to, because it sees if as its den. If you make the crate as their den to relax and be comfortable in, not as a punishment, then they will try not to go in the crate. Yes the make specific dog toothpaste. There is a chemical in human toothpaste that will foam up a lot in a dogs mouth. If your dog has been exercised and went to the bathroom outside then it should be fine roaming the house but watch out because accidents do happen a lot in the beginning so keep a close eye and look out for signs (some common ones are walking in a circle, sniffing a lot, but all dogs are different).


• First, human toothpaste will clean his mouth, but he might resist it, so dog toothpaste is a good idea. They have it in all sorts of flavors, so he might like it. If he keeps going to the bathroom in the crate, train him to do something when he has to go outside. Maybe it could be that he scratches at the crate or barks or something. You can do this by taking him outside frequently, even if he doesn't have to go, and when he goes to the bathroom out there, praise him. When he goes inside the crate, tell him no. Eventually, he'll figure it out. When he gets it, train him to do whatever it is you want him to do to let you know he has to go out. We trained our dog to cry by the stairs that lead to our front door. That way, we knew what he was crying for, because often the cry for a lot of different reasons.


• You can get a dental kit from your vet on your first visit. Usually it'll come with a special dog brush, finger brush, & special dog tooth paste.
  
  Crate training takes patience.
  
  Depending on the size of the dog you will want to get the crate a little bigger then what the dog will be at it's full grown stature. Some crates have a divider, I suggest one of those. You want the dog to be able to stand up and turn around and that's it.
  
  You need to take the dog out hourly until it get's the idea of pottying outside, whenever you can't watch the dog you need to put it into the crate. You feed it and play with it outside of the crate any time before you put the dog in the crate take it to potty and when you take the dog out of the crate you take it potty.. I wouldn't allow the dog to walk around the house if you can't watch it, you have to be able to keep an eye on it in order to catch the signs that it will give if it needs to potty. Usually you will see a pup sniff around, make circles be impatient. I'm not sure of the age of the dog you are getting but they usually say for every month the dog is that's the max amount of hours it can be in a crate without being taken out. Like a 4 month dog can be in a crate for 4 hours, but don't exceed 8 hours at any time.
  
  If you stay consistent and take the dog out all the time to potty you shouldn't have too many potty issues in the crate especiallyif you take it out before you put it in.


• Not sure what is asked but there are pee pads and dog toothpaste's that come with a tooth brush for about 5cnd
  
  training is done at a local pet store or groomer or gym/community center .

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Dog Health Questions: THIS type of dog training; your opinions?

I watched a very, very moving program on television about the dogs that served during WWII. I was amazed at the dogs. They were excellent. They knew every single command right away, no doubt. They were the fastest and most obedient dogs.

Obviously during that time, the military/army didn't have the money to hire professional dog trainers. However, these dogs were simply amazing! They were trained by the new recruits who had just begun their first time serving. Most hadn't owned a dog before, and hadn't been away from home so they spoke to the dogs, told them problems, confided in them. Maybe because of the bond they could train so well. They spent 8 hours every day training, several on grooming, slept and ate with the dogs.

My question is, if first time dog owners with nothing to do during their time at barracks [of course with training for the war themselves] can train like that, shouldn't it not be overlooked that the average person about their age [18 +] could do the same. With Abbie, I have had all of my 10 week holiday to train with her and it has *really* paid off. Yet today, even though it's important yes, I know and agree, experience is still needed, but couldn't it not be possible a first timer could train like that, rather than have a professional in to do all the work, or someone with years, decades of experience?

Considering some of these dogs were mutts but had such a bond, even during spare time, soldiers took time to be with them.

I think we're on the right track. We spent every day, all day together and used play as a way to train as well as classes and normal 3-4 minute training daily for up to 5-6 times.

What do you about the question?

Do you think it can be the bond too? When trainers come in, the dog is trained by them, not the owner as such. And I receive such criticism for owning a border collie as she is my first, yet she is simply doing great in her training! & is very well behaved.

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I can see that the more time you spend training your dog, the stronger bond you would have….people who train their pet dogs in agility, flyball, tracking, schutzund, working trials, conformation & obedience training would have a stronger bond than a dog that is given two walks a day and then largely ignored & left to mentally fester.

I did not fully appreciate what it meant to have a dog that was genetically predisposed to exhibit fearful behaviour because of a character defect, until my dog was badly bitten & his fearful temperament manifested itself in defencive aggression. Working with my Dobermann to control his behaviour, learning to read his body language & teaching him coping strategies, forged a stronger bond. He learned to focus on me & largely ignore distractions which was a huge improvement of fearful lunging/barking.

The war dog handlers skill & conditions that they worked in was something I was largely unaware of and they pivotal role they played in hot spots like Iraq. I could see that it would be tremendously challenging and rewarding and that with the right dog a handler could have an incredibly strong bond.

Edit: I purchased a book written by Koehler on dog training & it's very interesting.

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• Border Collies are indeed very energetic dogs and need a lot of time spent with them (especially to stimulate their brains). I think you are doing just fine with what you've described. Everything is a learning experience for dogs as well as people. My puppy is four months old and I spend so much time loving and training him that he knows nearly all of the tricks in the book. The bond that you share definitely helps in training and obedience. Keep it up!


• it seems like as long as you have treats,chew toys, a leash and collar, and a stern voice at times, then probably. my dog is crazy and i experienced the same as you. some trainors think they know everything. the real good trainers are the ones that help you,rather then boss you.


• The average person does not have 8 hours a day to train, groom, and confide in their dogs. Most have school, work, kids, and other things keeping them busy. I also don't think that most average people *want* to spend 8+ hours a day training a dog.
  
  Yes, an inexperienced person can train a dog, but most dog owners can't tell their head from their butt, meaning that the training ends up being improper and incorrect.
  
  A professional should NEVER be doing "all the work". They should be not only training the dog, but also the owner.
  
  I'm glad that you are doing well with Abbie and I hope that it continues as you get busy with school and life.


• The total association is important in training a dog in this manner. A border collie is a highly intelligent dog, and will respond well to this type of training.


• The soldiers trained the dogs under the instruction of a head trainer who used the Koehler Method of training.
  It is a no nonsense training program that is heavy on corrections when they are warranted.
  It works for all dogs and I have used it and its variations for 30 years.
  As far as the bond, it is very difficult to spend time in a war zone and work with a dog that you have no bond with.
  I spent a considerable amount of time in the Middle Eastern Theater of Operations with my dog, working, eating, living and sleeping together in some instances when he was not kenneled.
  This kind of experience cannot be had in the "civilian" world with the dogs and people who own them because they think of them differently.
  It is a whole other story when your life depends on your dog and the training you gave him....games and BS stops and commands MUST be followed or someone will die.
  It is an experience like no other and I am glad that I lived it!
  Hope I helped.
  
  ADD: Let me add a little something here that may border on "romanticism" on this post of mine and if anyone feels different, I would like to hear their side or the story.
  I spent several years as part of an Elite Military Unit a long time ago. The bond that develops with other people in your team when your and their butts are on the line daily is NOT something that can be replicated in the every day world.
  The bond that my dog and I shared over there, and that was recently, is not something that can be done here, not because of training or time spent together, but because of time spent together "under fire".
  You either mesh really well together or you do not survive, you learn to work together or you come home in a bodybag.
  You do not learn to do it because it is good for you or whatever, you learn because of psychological reasons, reasons that cannot be replicated in the safety of home.
  People that have been there will know EXACTLY what I am talking about...ok, end of sermon!!


• If you are spending that much time with your dog- even if you have never owned one in your life- then you are going to start to have a really good understanding of dogs.
  Looking through your experience with your border collie- how much have you learned about your dogs body language? about the different noises that she makes? and her little idiosyncrasies?
  These soldiers would have bonded really closely with their dogs, they would have been scared, training to go into war, wondering if they would ever see their family and friends again- it is no wonder that they spent so much time just being with, training, and loving their dogs.
  There are sort of similar programs set up now, with dogs in prisons- where the inmates look after a dog- some are trained to be kept as pets, and some places actually train up assistance dogs, which is awesome. The dogs help the people learn how to behave with each other, and teach them important life lessons.
  I dont think it is great to spend such a large amount of time each day training your dog- they will usually get bored quickly, so I would like to see how they did that- but all in all, I think its a great thing to do.
  If other first time dog owners were dedicated enough to want to put in all of that work into a new dog- and maintain the work and training- I wouldnt have a problem with recommending any dog to them.


• With any dog training success, there needs to be respect from the dog towards the owner or trainer. There's no other way around it. The most trainable intelligent dog in the world won't respond to training if he thinks he is in charge.
  So it's really no wonder that a soldier would have such command and that the dog would catch on easily. Soldiers are trained to be brave and have control when they are in boot camp , so the dog would have picked up on right away and realized that the soldier is his leader.
  A bond is important , but more important is trust and respect in a training situation. Not always easy to achieve when you look at it through the dog's eyes.


• Interesting. I think it is more about the commitment. You have to tape your tv shows and get off the couch and make an effort. I don't think all first time dog owners can train dogs. I think herding dogs are a million times easier to train than other breeds. I think sometimes someone just needs someone else to show them how to do things. I don't think you could just go to a pet store, buy a puppy, and be an expert at training if you have never owned a dog before, I think it is asking too much of people. We all learned our tips and tricks from other people, it just gets passed down and we should pass what we know on. We shouldn't make others feel bad if they get stuck and need help, or if they don't know how to do something. I think some people are more in tune with animals than others, and some more committed than others. My neighbors son tries so hard, he just needed someone to show him some tricks, that doesn't mean he doesn't love his dog.

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