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Every dog is different. Each has it's own "Motivation", it's own "Level of tolerance" and it's own "Rate of Recovery".
"Motivation":Treats may be good praise for some dogs...others may prefer petting...others may work best with nothing more than verbal praise.
"Level of Tolerance": To some dogs, your voice whispering "You naughty dog" is enough to devastate their entire week. Others may need a firm verbal correction....verbal and choker/pinch correction....very stern voice and e-collar correction...or nuclear weaponry. For instance (Generalizing as a breed): Giving a Newfoundland a dissatisfied look will depress him all day. An Irish Terrier will sit in a bathtub with the hairdryer, toaster, clock/radio and curling iron...and STILL not acknowledge that you're speaking to him.
"Rate of Recovery": Once the Newfie is corrected with a whisper, even using his favorite treats and a ball, it may be 30 minutes before you can have further training progress. A working GSD, Malanois, most Terriers etc., can take a very firm physical correction, and IMMEDIATELY focus on what you're trying to teach them. NO "Hard feelings", no depression, no lack of drive.
Being able to read a dog during every second of training is what makes a "REAL" dog trainer. They ARE the behaviorist/trainer/rehabilitator. There used to be no difference....now with MASTER TRAINER CERTIFICATES being handed over to anyone willing to spend $45-$50K, they've had to invent 3 different categories for people that CAN'T train a dog.
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- I also believe in Positive Reinforcement.As the owner of many German Shepherds in my Lifetime I see what that can do for their self estemm..Just like a child,spankings don't work and today you can get arrested for child abuse.So why do it to your dog,who wants a dog that is afraid of you.Would'nt you rather have him Please you because he wants to out of love instead of Fear!!
- Check out this website: www.leerburg.com there is a ton of info on dog training that you and your boyfriend will most likely agree on. The site not only saved my GSD from being throttled by my bf (now my hubby) just for the simple fact he didn't like GSD's and he wanted the dog to know what it was supposed to do from the word go, but it also saved our relationship-I was ready to take the dog and leave him.
Spanking a dog is no way to train the dog and have it trust you. - You should train any sized dog the same as you'd treat a rottweiler. don't accept anything just because it's small and cute. and yeah. from the start make sure you tell them who's boss. and eat your dinner before them, decide where they're going to sleep and keep it like that and don't let them walk in front of you and boss you about.
Hitting a dog will just make the dog fear you, or if it's feeling butch, be aggressive to you. - I believe in training using their brains not their tummies. I do use treats but only when the do something good. Positive training does not work for every dog just like negative reinforcement does not work for all. I use sharp corrections, but never hurt the dogs. My dogs can train without treats and do well.
- I agree with Chaos. It's corrections using a poke, or touch of some sort. Or the leash snap. Yelling does not work. Both my dogs would sit at look at you like you were retarded. I treat when necessary, and use it for training, but never if the dog is doing something bad, then is corrected to reinforce the behaviour. My love and praise is enough. Thus why my 5 month old lab already walks nicely on a leash.
- Lol, dogs don't spank each other. Have you ever seen a dog use its paws to hit the other dog? No! Its just not natural. Try scolding. Dogs don't exactly yell NO! at each other but they do growl. If he runs out on the road, call him back, then reward him for coming back. If you spank him when he comes back, he'll learn not to come back
- I use positive reinforcement and never discipline. I correct. The dog doesn't know what I want unless I show it. They don't know why you're mad at them, it's confusing.
my BF and I disagree on training. I use too many treats in his opinion and praise too often. He feels Holly should just listen because he told her to. *shrugs* - Say "Bad Dog" in a firm and loud voice. Or put him/her in the crate for about 10 minutes.
- i've never spanked a dog- the closest i have ever come to that is a hard swat on the behind when i've caught someone in the act of counter-surfing, or garbage diving.
i believe in retraining behaviors to mold the dog the way we want it- mostly through positive reinforcement. but i also believe there are times when a dog does something that warrants a good scare, such as a firm shake by the collar, for who to remember it's supposed to be minding-
but really, the punishment (if applicable) really depends on the dog.
it's better to find ways not to punish at all.
see- your example is flawed. before putting a dog in a situation that he COULD get into the road, i MUST know that he's trained for a perfect recall, and about road safety. the training should always precede the situation. otherwise, he must be kept leashed, because he isn't yet trained. ALWAYS set your dog up for success- give him a way to get praise- he'll continue those behaviors. - Well if your boyfriend does not understand that spanking a dog that ran away after you caught him only makes the dog afraid on getting caught and teaches them nothing about running away I am sorry, you have a up hill battle on your hands. Get a good book that explains the timing and understanding of positive reinforcement. If you can not get him to see that punishing a behavior after the behavior is pointless then get a new boyfriend. How he treats your dog is how he will treat children in the future!!! I have always liked Karen Pryor, check out her training website...http://www.clickertraining.com/?OVRAW=ka…
and Victoria Stillwell...http://www.victoriastilwell.com/ - Calm Asseritive approach is the best. Never spank. Watch the Dog Whisper. You are right about being the Pack Leader. Dogs want to know their boundries and limitations and that is your job and your BF job to show them the way you want things. You lead them. As far as the dog running out and not coming back that all starts with them respecting you. Start with them on a leash. Have them sit and then open the door and have them wait. When you give the command to go you go out first and let them follow. Then trun around and call him to follow you back to the house. Training is a matter of patience. Good luck.
- My dogs would never run out in the road, because they would not be beside the road without a leash. :o)
But you have to think about what you are teaching the dog. You cant reason with him. If you hit the dog for not coming, what the dog learns is "wow - if I am in the road, and my master catches me, I get hit. I had better not let him catch me the next time!"
The way I would deal with a dog who would not come is to MAKE him come, and then reward him for doing what he should do. You can do that with a long lead, AWAY from the road. Then, if he ever ends up in the road, he will be trained to come when you call him.
Training is basically establishing habits. You can do that a lot of different ways, none of which involve hitting the dog.
(I hope you realize that if you were ever to have kids with this guy, you will have the same issues). - I dont think spanking is correct.. dogs dont understand the concept of a spanking.. all you will teach the dog is to fear you, or you may even teach aggression.Actually I dont think I like the word "disclipline".. I prefer the term "correction".. for example, you see a dog chewing on a taboo, item.. you tell the dog "NO", remove the item, give an appropriate item, then praise.
And yes positive reinforcement in some situations.. the dog runs from you, obviously you cannot get to the dog to correct him.. so you need to train the dog.. use positive reinforcement to train the dog to "come".. of course the dog wont come if he knows he is going to get "spanked"... the dog thinks he gets spanked for coming to you, he doesnt realize he is getting spanked for running. - I agree with you, violence is NEVER the answer. Your dog should know the pack leader, and he will gain more trust in you, if you don't spank him. He will learn better too. Praise him when he does something good, and when he gets into trouble, just say no. Firmly, but not yelling.
I suggest going to this website, it tells you a lot of techniques to use, and establishing pack leader. Another way is before he gets to eat, pretend like you are eating it, then your husband, before he gets to eat. Just like in a pack, the leader gets to eat first. It sounds silly, but it works.http://www.cbrrescue.org/articles/packle…
I know it wasn't much, but I hope this maybe helped a little :) - Let me ask you a question - if you got married and had children, are you going to allow him to smack your kids too? Same principle! Animals and children that are hit, often lack confidence and withdrawn or fearful. Animals and children that are trained aka taught with positive methods tend to be more confident, alert, happier and over all well adjusted.
FYI - this "boyfriend" will be an X if you don't agree on discipline. Before this puppy is completely messed up, you better decide if he is husband material with his need to hit. Sadly, it is not a "man" thing, it is an ignorance thing. There are some amazing men out there who never lifted a hand in their life to a woman, child or animal. The men who do, tend to be bullies, stupid or under confident themselves.
Sit back and think about your future - this is not something that will resolve itself and marriages break up over money and child rearing. You already have a strike in your corner. - Dogs rarely need "discipline" and they certainly shouldn't be "spanked". That's abusive and useless. If your BF won't let up on the abusive behaviour and won't listen to you, it's time to dump his sorry a$s. Things won't change as you are together longer. An abusive control freak will always be an abusive control freak.
"If a dogs were to run out in the road and not come to you how would you discipline that"
You don't. This is the owner's fault for not controlling the dog. If he wants to spank someone, he should go all Fight Club and spank himself. Instead of trying to punish the dog for the owner's problem, the dog should go to serious obedience training to learn recall. - I used to think that spanking was the best way until I got my Lab and thought that with such a large dog I should take him to training. I went to Petsmart training and found it really informative. The method they taught was the positive reinforcement and it really does work. They way they taught the come command was to get a really long lead and attach it to your dogs collar. Then slowly back away from your dog and using treats call your dog by his name. Then after each time your dog comes to you try it again with a little more distance between you and the dog. And if you can afford or have the time I would look into going to a training class. It really is helpful and it also helps to form a stronger bond between you and your dog.
- Personally, positive reinforcement is great, but different amounts work for different dogs. I have a Sheltie that learns by about 90% positive reinforcement and 10% correction when he is misbehaving. My Aussie mix is about 60/40, because she's much more strong-willed.
For correction, I don't spank. I have a "firm voice" that my dogs know means business. When my dog, for example, is somewhere they shouldn't be (like the road) I command "Come". If they do come, they are praised, so they know that coming to me is a good thing to do. If they don't come, I walk towards them, get them out of where they shouldn't be, while saying "no" in a very firm voice.
When they are doing something wrong, and you catch them in the act, there is *nothing wrong* with correction, as long as you don't overdo it. The rest of the time, keep yourself happy (but in charge) and they'll want to respect and obey you. When you are teaching them something new, though, positive reinforcement is really the way to go. - i believe in spankings also that's how dogs discipline each other, how humans do it, horses, and animals really, they all use pain and rewards but you could use reinforcement for small problems and spankings for big problems, how ever you would measure the situation.
- try bribing him to do the better thing with treats!!! say no no and if he stops give him a treat but if he doesent dont give him one!!!
- put him outside for a little bit.
- I think it really just depends on the dog, what works best. In my experience, because I have a bigger dog (77 lbs) and he's got a thick skull on him, I didn't like hitting him... because he doesn't have a general negative association with my hands, I'd have to hit him REALLY hard to get him to understand that it's punishment. This bothered me, so, I used a rolled up [thin] magazine. This worked better because he learned to negatively associate the magazine right away, and I would only have to tap him on the head to get him to understand he was being bad (as opposed to smacking him so hard my hand hurt). Now, if he is misbehaving, all I have to do is is hold the magazine up and he corrects the behavior immediately. And if I do for some reason have to smack him on the head, it's no more than a tap.
I don't punish my dog when he runs out in the street, I only reward him when he comes back (and he does within a few minutes). But, for example, when he has his leash on, if he starts to run off and I catch him quickly then I might hold his face and say "no" really firmly a few times or some other standard punishment... But if he already ran off and doesn't come back for a few minutes I don't think he can make the connection between what he did and what you're punishing him for. So, I praise him as soon as he comes back and this seems to work.
Again though I think it really depends on the dog. Some dogs respond really well to a firm tone of voice, other dogs need a [non-abusive] smack or two.