Dog Health Questions: Have you ever used a choke collar on your dog and they actually choked themselves?

I am trying to train my Rottie. We found her in a pet rescue. She was there for over 6 months. The pet rescue found her in a humane society animal shelter and got her before they put her down. They dont' know how long she was in the humane society. She is one year old now and we have had for 2 months. She is now kennel trained and house broken. I am now trying to train her to walk on leash. She has walked on leash before with either the Halti head halter or the choke chain, but tonight she just freaked out. She started jumping up on me and now I am scratched and bruised all over my arms and chest and back. I was afraid that she would actually choke herself.

Yes, I was using the choke collar correctly. I have attended and participated in dog training before and have had my St. Bernard win 1st place Obedience in 4-H. This is also not the first Rottie I have had, but the first dog I have had that acted this way. Any help or suggestions is greatly appreciated.

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Choke collars are actually considered to be an "old school" training method and aren't used as much any more. Mostly because if the correction isn't given correctly then the dog can be injured. If the dog continues to pull then the choker will cinch on the neck, preventing corrections and effectively choking the dog.

Prong collars are wider, and the pinching effects mimiks a mother dogs bite. They don't hurt the dog at all and are much more effective at stopping the dog from lunging or pulling than a simple choke collar. The possibility of a prong actually puncturing the dogs neck is slim as long as you use the collar correctly.

A few links for you to read:

http://www.8pawsup.com/articles/training…
http://www.i-love-dogs.com/dogsarticles/…
http://www.doganswers.com/collars.htm

Add - Of course, there is no substitute for proper obedience training. These collars are only tools - you take them off and the dog is likely to revert back to old habits unless he/she is properly trained.

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• try a prong collar instead


• it very well might be an territory or dominance issue. It could also be he fears the choke collar. Try training him to heal and not pull on you. That's the only time i have considered using the choke lead. When they insist on tugging and pulling you all over. If he/she doesn't do that. Than no worries.
  good luck!


• choke collars are able to choke dogs, but all they do when used properly is tighten on the dog's throat when they pull on you or you pull on the leash. your best bed would be to bring her to an obedience class. (don't leave the collar on without supervision because they can be dangerous! always take if off after the walk and leave a regular leather collar on her)


• generally with dominance they do not display that kind of behavior when walking. i personally have never heard of a dog actually choking themselves, i would imagine it could happen if the chain gets stuck tightened the whole way, but not with human supervision. if you are worried about it then just stick to the halti until you can get her walking with you properly. then if you want you can switch to the choke just for correction.


• The trainer with the rescue I foster for does not use choke collars at all. He says the collar can built up scar tissue around a dog's neck and you have to use increasing force for the collar to be effective. He advices us to use a prong collar. I use one on my dog and don't have to use it to correct her anymore. She understand she has to obey when the collar is in place.


• NO! I think those things should be outlawed. Its called a choke chain for a reason, ofcourse it is going to choke the animal. Throw that thing in the trash..


• g'day
  
  a family member of mine has cattle dogs, and used the choke chain incorrectly, they used it as a full time collar... long story short, their neighbour rang them at work and said get here quick, the dog was frothing at the mouth and its eyes were bulgy and blood-shot. - he's ok now though. poor little thing.
  
  i have 2 cattle dogs myself and i used the choke chain, but it didnt seem to help much just made the dogs jump at me and made them gasp for breath... not so helpful.
  
  now i use a doggy car harness, and halti when walking them. I also have a ultra-sonic dog whistle, so whenever they try and jump up, etc, have it ready, give it a small blow and it emits an unpleasant sound (for dogs) that will confuse the dog. after a while, they stopped jumping.
  
  it worked for me, i hope this helps.
  
  cheers
  
  ps -
  
  this is similar to the doggy car harness i have, but i bought it from 'Big W' - much cheaper
  
  http://www.doggypartyplan.com.au/Travell…
  
  This is the halti i use (again, cheaper at big retail stores)
  
  http://www.itsadogshop.com/prod376.htm
  
  and, this is the Ultrasonic Dog Whistle
  
  http://www.amazon.com/Dogit-Ultrasonic-T…


• It isn't a 'choke' collar, it is a chain training collar and should only be used on a dog when you are training it. All dogs are different so your past experience means little as it was pretty limited - you didn't really learn a lot, sorry but just the way it is since you don't have the experience to know how to properly use a chain training collar and have some opposition to using a prong training collar appropriately. Very few people actually are terribly knowledgeable regarding the proper use of either and you will likely need to find a good training class to help teach you to better train your dog. The head halter or harness type collars don't train anything except to ignore you.
  
  Yes, if left on or allowed to be used improperly, a chain training collar can indeed choke a dog. Please learn to properly use one where it doesn't. The collar should never be tight, ever - the clip of the leash should always hang down - if these things are being done, there is no way to choke.
  
  add: ANY collar/harness/halter can be abusive if improperly used. Chain training collars are no more 'old school' than are leashes - it has just become fad for people who don't know how to properly train a dog to go to a prong to make themselves feel better and to, usually incorrectly, utilize them to gain some sort of pseudo-control. Both can be abusive and both can do harm. I have pulled prongs out of the trachea of dogs... I have seen dogs get collapsed trachea from buckle collars and suffer cervical damage from halter type collars. Any and all training tools can and are often misused. And conversely any and all training tools can be PROPERLY utilized and be very helpful and successful. I utilize prongs for particular needs just as I utilize chain training collars for particular needs. I also use buckle collars for particular needs. They are all tools and are just aids to help a trainer achieve their desired responses. Just because someone who doesn't know what they are doing uses a wrench to screw up a car doesn't make the WRENCH a bad tool! haha
  
  add: Well, not sure I agree with the trainers or your perspective about 'listening to another female' (your dog isn't stupid enough to think of you as another dog dear) but it is good you are seeking assistance and considering options. Hopefully you will locate a trainer that actually knows about dogs (clue: scratches and bruises do not an 'attack' make - the first thing an attacking dog would do is bite and you would know right off the bat you were attacked -- this was more likely fear based loss of control - panic reaction - lucky she didn't pee all over in her panic) and get some good input.

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Dog Health Questions: K-9 University Dog Training in Douglas MA?

Has anyone taken their dog to k-9 University in Douglas, MA?

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I found a review on the place:
"My two year old golden retriever, Roxy, is a doll but she just did not listen. Her attention span was nil. I investigated training services and came up with K-9 University. Because of Roxy's poor attention span, it was recommended that she spend a week at the University (living there) to learn how to listen. It took actually 10 days but when I got there, she would heel and walk and not run off, listen when I told her to and she and I were both much happier." Gave 4 stars out of 4.
http://www.judysbook.com/cities/douglas-…

Thats about all I could fine, but I hope that helped!

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Dog Health Questions: Are there any schools or acadamies in Canada where I can learn how to train dogs?

I would like to go to a school that teaches me how to train dogs for basic obedience, but my main goal is for either hearing assistant dog training or search and rescue dog training.

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yes there is at least one two places you should call. first the cnib candain national insitute for the blind .
the other one is the school for the deaf in milton. i am not sure if they have the same thing cnid they might but i am sure the school will tell you .

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• I doubt there are any schools like that in Canada.You would probably have to go to the US. There are not many schools in Canada.

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Dog Health Questions: What are the best pit bull bloodlines to buy?

I'm planning to buy a pit bull within the next couple of weeks. I would like to know which bloodlines are the best? Can I easily train this breed myself or do I need to leave the training to the professional trainers. I want my dog trained for protection.

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Never ever get someone else to train your dog!

it is the relationship you have with your dog that determines how well it behaves for you!

by all means seek the assistance of a dog trainer, but enforce the point that you want them to teach you how to train the dog, and not for them to train the dog for you!

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• As far as bloodlines go, check with the UKC if you're looking for the American Pit Bull Terrier. If you're looking for a American Staffordshire Terrier, look into the AKC.
  
  Do not buy based on nose color, don't buy those hippo American Bully dogs either. More often they're mixed with mastiff or some other breed and have human aggression which isn't what you want in a protection dog.
  "A good personal protection dog is as reliable and friendly as Rover your pet Labrador Retriever, until called to work.
  Capable of meeting strangers and new people without fear or aggression, confident and outgoing, able to travel with you everywhere you go, in crowds, cars, parks and gatherings.Good protection dogs are not vicious dangerous dogs, and are trained very differently.
  A good protection dog is raised from a puppy to be friendly, outgoing, love people, be playful and have no fear. The best way to start a young puppy is to socialize it well."Also make sure you're the one doing the training. As in whoever you hire doesn't take the dog away for a few weeks and return it, make sure you're right there in the action.


• If you don't have any idea what the answers to these questions are,you're a long way from being prepared to get a dog.
  
  Bloodline is a matter of personal preference.There are many to choose from,you needed to start your research months ago.
  
  If you want the dog trained for protection,it needs to be done by a professional,it's not a diy job.
  
  You may also want to consider another breed.Pit Bulls usually do not have any natural guarding instinct.There are other breeds developed for things like protection,this breed is not one of them.
  
  "The APBT is not the best choice for a guard dog since they are extremely friendly, even with strangers. Aggressive behavior toward humans is uncharacteristic of the breed and highly undesirable."
  http://www.ukcdogs.com/WebSite.nsf/Breed…
  
  Here are some breed specific forums:
  http://www.game-dog.com/forums/
  http://www.pitbull-chat.com/forums.php


• If you are still unsure about the best lines, then don't buy in a week or two. You will probably have to do some research. As a breeder, (different dogs), this is what I would recommend.
  First go to AKC.org and check out their breeder listings. AKC breeders often advertise on the akc website.
  Secondly, google "Pitbulls+best showdog breeders" And see what comes up. Also, do you live in a moderately large city? There are AKC dog shows throughout the years. Look on their website to see if there are any upcoming shows. If so, go to it and watch the pitbulls being shown. Then, try to talk to the handler after their pitbull is done showing. Many handlers are breeders and trainers and they can talk to you about the breed, the lineage, and how they train. Trainng for a dog show is not the same as guard dog, but start with looking for lines that are not aggresive.
  
  OK,, when you do get your puppy, go to a professional training center and go to classes. You can start your puppy out in puppy kindergarden and the absoulte best things you can do is to have your dog up to date with all vaccinations, spay or neuter your pet, and socialize your new puppy a lot so they learn to be gentle to other people and pets.
  You need to train your dog to be gentle and kind, never aggressive unless commanded to be for protection in an emergency, much like a police dog is. Training like this can take 8 months to 2 years, so you need to be patient, compassionate and consistent when training.
  Because of the possible aggressive nature of the breed, check with your insurance and your city laws. Many have bans on Pitbulls and some insurance companies will not cover a pitbull owner. Pits can be so amazing and gentle, but you must train it properly to make sure it doesn't get startled and attack. That's why I recommend socialization because it will help your dog not be startled easily.
  
  Well, that's kind of long. I hope you have luck!


• find a reputable breeder that knows going back 4 to 5 generations and if you want to train the dog for protection you should do professional training, you train the dog with the trainer offering guidance, find a trainer that offers protection training it will most likely be more expensive but you have to make sure the dog is of sound temperament and has basic obedience down, which you can contact a the trainer before getting the dog to talk to them about what qualities to look for in a puppy.


• I do APBT rescue, I have years of experience with the breed and I can tell you without a doubt if you want a dog for protection the pit bull is NOT for you. Pit bulls have never been bred to be human aggressive in any way, they will sooner lick a robber then defend your home. There are plenty of breeds out there that will naturally defend your property but a pit bull isn't one. If you try to make a pit bull "guard" you you will end up with an unstable, confused dog and that is NOT what you want in an APBT. That would be like buying a bernese mountain dog and expecting it to herd sheep- they wouldn't know how to and would be very confused. My pit bull is extremely human friendly, I'm sure if I were ever in real danger that he would step up but I wouldn't expect him to, its my job to protect him-not the other way around.
  If you want a dog that will protect you and your property look for a breed that has been bred to do so like a GSD, rottie or cane corso. Idk why people think pit bulls are guard dogs, they were bred for dog fighting ie- DOG aggression, very, very different then human aggression. Please learn about the breed (UKC.org) I promise you will find that this is not the breed you want.


• How much experience do you have with training dogs? If you don't have any, you might want to let a professional handle it and show you how to control the dog. If you've had dogs before and raised them with no behavorial problems arising, you'd probably be fine training the dog itself.

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Dog Health Questions: Dog training?

I have a 14 week old Shih-Tzu puppy. At what age should she be able to pick up commands like sit, roll-over, speak, shake, etc? (btw, she already does sit fairly well)

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At 12 weeks old, a dog's capability to learn is the same as it is as an adult.

So, at 14 weeks old, your dog should be able to learn all of these commands just as if she were a year old!

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• It depends on the dog. Some are more mature at younger ages. With a Shih Tzu, it's definately time to begin but just be patient, she has a baby brain.


• She can learn those now! Just keep your training sessions short and sweet, like 5 minutes, a few times per day. A few weeks from now, increase them to 10 minutes if you think her attention span can handle it!
  
  Practice, practice, practice! Make it fun for her, and she'll love training if she always gets rewarded for good performance. Be patient, don't get frustrated if she doesn't pick it up right away, she's learning!
  
  Its best to work on one at a time. So keep doing "sit" every day, until she's mastered it, then move on to another command.
  
  Good luck!


• Most puppies pick up on commands and expectations very quickly. It varies by breed. Keep working with her, be consistent.


• A puppy as young as four weeks can learn simple commands using positive reinforcement. You don't expect them to perform like an older dog, but they can learn. And learning early teaches them how to learn making future training much easier.


• You can start very basic training, such as name recognition, sit and so on, at around 8 weeks old. But remember, little puppies have VERY SHORT attention spans. It's much better to practice for a minute or two three times a day, than try to go for 10 minutes once a day.
  
  You can find a lot of free information, tips and advice on training your puppy at this url
  
  Once your puppy has had all her shots, she should attend a puppy obedience class. These are a great way for you both to learn new things, improve your communication skills and are invaluable socialization experiences for your pup. You can find out how to pick a good dog obedience school here http://www.the-puppy-dog-place.com/dog-o…
  
  Best of luck with here http://www.the-puppy-dog-place.com/puppy…


• AWWWW!!!! ****-zu puppies are very sweet little dogs. Well before training just make sure your little one knows you are the boss, even though you are bigger, she can still think she is in controll of you, and if that is the case she will not take commands from you. So if she knows you are the boss, (she can learn this by you punsihing her, act like you are eating her food and then give to her and on walks make her walk beside you. Then she will know you are the ALPHA or Boss dog) (although you arent a dog!! lol)
  
  Ok. The answer to your ?.
  
  Start now! It may take a little while for her bark box to start working on treats, (we have a 1 yr old westie that wont bark when we dont give her a treat so she might not learn that one!) So you might have to wait a little on the speak but otherwise start ASAP. The earlier the better. Also you can teach her tricks like bang where she lays down on back with hands up when you make a gun with hand and say, "bang" all the guests will think it is funny, after she knows that teach her, "bang and pray for mercy" where after she bangs, put her paws together and say, "pray for mercy" that one is really cute too. Guests usually like to see what a cute little puppy like yours can do at such a young age so you can start anytime. And just remember, YOU ARE THE BOSS, when she knows that, she will follow whatever you say and you will have the best doggie ever!
  
  GOOD LUCK
  AND IMPRESS YOU GUESTS AND FRIENDS WITH A WELL TRAINED LITTLE ****-ZU PUPPY DOG!!!!!!! :p!
  -SARAH-


• I recommend you visit the website I went to when my dog had behavioral issues a while back. It transformed my dog's behavior. It also talks about command as well. Good Luck!

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Dog Health Questions: Im looking into getting barkbusters a dog training company that comes to your home.?

i have 2 minautre schauzers that are in desperate need of help. We ve tried everything from the adive from the dog whisper( cesar millan) to all the tricks in the book. We found out about bark busters and called and it will cost around 700 dollars for the two of them and its a lifetime waranty so if the problems reappear they come back no charge. I live in ottawa and i would like to know if it really works>? ive heard stories and all of them say yes! it ll change your life. I would love to have cesar here but he only does the states i believe. so your opinion is greatly appreaciated!

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I volunteered for a rescue organization that used Barkbusters. I had them to my home twice (for free because of the rescue) to see how they work.

Personally, I train my own dogs but Barkbusters is not bad. If you are at your wits end, spend the $700.00. They are reputable and will stand behind that guarantee.

Just remember, they will be teaching YOU how to train your dogs. You have to incorporate the training into your lives and be consistent. I think you understand what I am saying.

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• I'm not sure about barkbusters as I don't know much about them. The biggest thing about training is to stick with one type of training, to do the homework, and to be very consistent. Moving from method to method will only confuse the dog and frustrate the owner. The only way that any training will work is to be consistent and to follow the plan.

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Dog Health Questions: Brutal dog training......................…

i would just like to share what i witnessed last night. there is this man who was teaching his dog to jump in a very brutal way. he is literally torturing the dog! he was whipping the dog like there's no tomorrow, choking it to death, and shooting with pellet gun! my heart was like being broken into pieces. i couldn't stand what he's doing. the dog was crying out loud! why does he have to do that?! and what bothers me is the fact that he was only teaching the dog to jump meaning there's more to come when he starts teaching other things. :'(
i think dog shows should be banned to prevent this brutal trainers from extremely abusing their dogs!... by the way that was like 11pm already, i believe its time for that dog to sleep instead of getting beaten to jump

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What do you mean dog shows should be banned? As in pure breed dog shows? Or TV shows which teach people how to train their dogs?
In either case- this is not the solution to previnting people from abusing their dogs.

If you were so upset, why did you not confront the man with his dog? Or contact your local animal welfare organisation or Police office?
You could have even taped the incident on your phone or camera to provide evidence that the man was abusing his dog.

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• What does this have to do with dog shows, that they should be banned? The only show dogs I've seen have been rather well taken care of. If you don't care for them well, they don't win anyways. And banning a dog show doesn't end this abuse. People will still abuse animals regardless. I don't think it'd ever be possible to have absolutely no animal abuse in the world.
  
  You should've called the police and confronted the man.


• i too do not understand what this has to do with dog shows ... it is clearly wrong what the man was doing regardless of the dog show comment ... what did the man say when you said something or he saw you watching what he was doing ???

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Dog Health Questions: Is there any free good dog training sites???

also book titles! thank you so much!!

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Yep, and in many cases the information is worth every penny of it.

As to book titles ... Go to the library and invest an hour or so glossing over several or many. Then consider these two things:

1: Which appeals to your personal comfort; and
2: Does it address any specific issues of concern to you.

When you find the one that best elicits a "nailed it" on BOTH counts, that's the one to start with. It may not be, however, the right one ... but you will learn that as you go along.

Should you find that you made an incorrect choice (the training as instructed is not effectvely changing your dog's behaviour to suit your needs) don't beat yourself up. It does not mean that you are not doing it right, nor that your dog is not responding ... it just means it ain't working.

Place a call to several local trainers and ask for help. Be sure to describe, best you can, any specific issues of behaviour you need dealt with and then ask yourself:

1: Which trainer appeals to your personal comfort; and
2: Does the trainer have experience addressing specific issues of concern to you.

Now you've found (hopefully) a more experienced pair of hands and eyes to help you with the rough spots.

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• Yes - http://www.freedogtraininginfo.com/
  PetsMart and Purina have some info online also.
  
  You can go to the local library to check out tapes and books.
  
  The vet, Pound, SPCA, and Humane Society may have some suggestions. There may also be some local dog clubs.


• Absolutely, here's an amazing free dog training site:
  http://howtodogtraining.blogspot.com

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Dog Health Questions: Tell me some dog training school in chennai(madras)?

tell me some trainin schools or contact numbers of trainers....plz send me reputed ones coz i dont want to pay and end up havin an untrained dog...thanks in advance

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I am assuming that you have check online. Have you tried putting an ad in your newspaper for one. Another great idea is talk to local vets. You would be surprised how many they know, and a vet will not recommend someone they do not approve of. Trust me.

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• buy a book on the breed of the puppy. this is your child teach him what you want. it just takes 30 min. a day the book will guide in the right dir.


• Sorry, don't know where chennai is, otherwise I would invite you to join one of my classes. Ask your vet, they usually have some insight as to what is available in your area.
  Please note: the school trains YOU. You train the dog. So if you spend a lot of money and end up with an untrained dog, it's your fault.


• train the dog yourself

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Dog Health Questions: Koheler method of dog training?

I am going to start koehler training my basset/beagle mix tonight. Any pointers/tips? He is 1.5 years old, and cannot focus when I have treats, but only performs when I do. I need a reliable dog. When we are done with koehler will he be able to pass a cgc test? What about doing rally? I know he is a mutt but I am going to sign him up for the akc thing where he can do agility/rally/obedience. He screams in his kennel, any suggestions to calm him down? Should I ignore him and wait it out? Thanks.

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Hi..I answered your last question about e collars. Thank you for posting this question..I had not heard about this method and googled them to find out what it was all about. One of the reasons I like YA is that it gives me the opportunity to learn as well as share what I can.
I too have a Basset mix...the nose is definitely something we have to overcome. I did a lot of research before I chose my trainer..the one I chose is familiar with and uses different methods. I have not heard the name Koehler, but I have seen them leash train some dogs and it appears to be very similar. Is this a method you do yourself at home? Or do you get some guidance from a trainer of this method, or a book or cd?
This might be a good method for your dog. Just want to say as in ANY training...it all comes down to timing and consistency. If you begin working with someone who can help you perfect your timing and then you practice, practice, you should get good results.
Again, do you do this alone or in a group? Having other dogs around as distraction will help prove your dog and will surely benefit him in order to pass his cgc. My dog was able to pass after 3 group sessions. The test is not for perfect obedience but more for perfect demeanor. And when taking the test,and you heel your dog near another dog...that other dog is selected to be neutral.
See how the training goes first before you sign up for rally obedience, but agility is fun and sure to get him tired from the extra exercise. If you see he does well with this training method, by all means, join rally....we don't do akc, but we do rally events for fun...we both enjoy it! Being part Basset, his best rally is "under". (haha)
There are a number of things you can do to keep him crate happy, but why is he doing this? Is he throwing a doggie temper tantrum? Is he having separation anxiety? If you ignore him and wait it out , how long does it take? If this remains a problem, I would start back at square one... make sure he is WELL exercised before being crated. Take your time and relax while inviting him to enter. Stay with him and treat him and let him out. Do it again, spend less time with him and leave the room for increasing amounts of time. Leave him a special treat...a kong with frozen peanut butter or something that will take him a long time to worry at...this way he will be interacting with a treat and not focused on your leaving. And use his nose!! Spray the bedding in the crate with lavender or vanilla.
Hope this was helpful and thank you for the learning experience! Let us know how Koehler goes.

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• Please read this site before you attempt Koehler methods. They are out-dated and cruel. The site below directs you to clicker training and/or positive methods.
  
  http://www.4pawsu.com/traditionaltrainin…


• Please DO NOT train your dog by Koehler!
  
  Nothing is brilliant about the Koehler training method. Many people think William Koehler's method is ingenious, but it's anything but! Koehler is old and outdated. Yes, it's been around for decades, but decades have come and gone since then! What was a brilliant training method back then isn't now. This is the 21st century for heaven's sake! Things have changed. People have found more effective ways to train dogs without fear or force.
  
  I despise this website! http://www.koehlerdogtraining.com/ The two people who wrote that lecture clearly think quite highly of themselves.
  
  Positive reinforcement training is not a death sentence! Actually try and research positive reinforcement before you make claims that you're just “feeding a dogs stomach” and it produces “unreliable dogs.” The goal of this method is to make training a more pleasant experience for the dog and owner while STILL producing a well trained dog.
  
  I highly recommend these books.
  1.The Power of Positive dog Training by Pat Miller
  2.Positive Perspectives 2: Know your dog, Train your dog by Pat Miller
  3. Don't Shoot the Dog! by Karen Pryor
  4. Reaching the Animal Mind by Karen Pryor.All of these books are very detailed and advanced and it will enlighten ANYONE on positive reinforcement dog training. These books bust the silly myths that people have about positive dog training.
  
  Please read Karen Pryor and Pat Miller's books and THEN come back with an educated debate.


• I'm going to tell you, as another hound owner, you will get no where with harsh methods. No where at all, you could forget about rally or even agility. Agility, by the way, is trained with purely positive methods, treats, toys, tugs...no corrections ever.
  
  When your using a clicker, you don't carry it around for life. It's a training tool, just like anything else.
  
  No one method of training is right for all dogs. Kholer may be good for some dogs, but I could tell you, I would get no where fast with those methods.
  
  Oh and I own and train dachshunds. I have trained with a combination of clicker, treats, ball and tug and the occasional fair correction. My adult dachshund is currently training towards his AKC UD, he's got his AKC AX agiilty title and equivielent in other venues and he's got his RE.
  
  I'm also training another younger dachshund, she'll be making her agility debut next month and her obedience debut in Feb 2011.
  
  My first hound, a beagle/lab mix, retired with her UUD and one leg towards her ASCA UD. I wish I had clicker trained her, instead of using the old choke and puke method.
  
  Lastly, my dachshund are frequently off-leash during legal off-leash hours in our public parks, are off-leash at the beach and off-leash when hunting. I have fabulous reliable recalls.

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